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Earl Shaffer stands next to the sign on top of Mount Katahdin. He wears binoculars, a long sleeve tee and jeans. His pack sits on a rock in front of him.
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Walking off the War on the Appalachian Trail

by Abby Levene November 7, 2022
written by Abby Levene

Photo: Earl Shaffer at the northern end of the Appalachian Trail, Mount Katahdin, Maine. Photographer by an unknown hiker. Courtesy of the Archives Center, National Museum of American History.

Origin: Earl Shaffer “Walks off the War”

Around 1:30 pm on August 5, 1948, a weary Earl V. Shaffer reached the summit of Mount Katahdin. Someone took his photo by the sign, he talked with several others on the summit, and he made his way back down. His outing looked pretty similar to that of thousands of hikers who had reached the rocky pinnacle before him. Shaffer, however, had just walked the entire length of the 2,000-mile Appalachian Trail. And records show he was the first person to do so since the long trail was completed in 1937.

Shaffer had started his hike 123 days previously at the base of Mount Oglethorpe, which served as the southern terminus of the AT until 1958. He travelled alone, walking around 17 miles a day. Shaffer packed light. He nixed a tent when he realized his poncho could double as a shelter. He mended his clothes, and cooked cornbread in a pan over an open fire. Shaffer made it over the rocks, roots, and rubble in just one pair of Russell Moccasin Company “Birdshooter” boots. He resoled them twice, and they were in tatters by the end.

Despite Shaffer’s militancy for packing light, another heaviness weighed on his shoulders. Shaffer’s impetus for his unprecedented journey was to “walk the war out of my system.” The 29-year-old had served as a radar equipment technician in the South Pacific for four years during World War II. He saw the vestiges of war everywhere across the bucolic trail. In his “little black book,” a six-ring notebook he used as a diary, Shaffer perfunctorily makes note of military memorials, encountering fellow vets, and clouds resembling military carriers. He writes about a farmer’s son who “was psycho from [the] army” and a mother grouse who exploded from the underbrush like “an A-bomb.”

Twice, Shaffer mentions his childhood friend, Walter Winemiller, who passed away in the Battle of Iwo Jima. They had planned on hiking the trail together.

64 Years Later: Veteran Sean Gobin Thru-Hikes the AT

Sean Gobin stands in full combat gear in front of a military tank in the desert of south west Afghanistan.
Marine Sean Gobin in South West Afghanistan, 2011. Courtesy of Sean Gobin

Thru-hiking has exploded in popularity since Shaffer’s inaugural walk. About 20,000 people have completed the AT. Yet the tradition of “walking off the war” continues. Sixty-four years after Shaffer embarked on his 2,000 mile quest, marine veteran Sean Gobin did the same. Like Shaffer, Gobin had dreamed of thru-hiking the AT long before serving three deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan.

As a kid, Gobin and his family spent summer vacations traveling around the country in an RV.

“I remember visiting Shenandoah National Park and noticing this trail that went all the way from Georgia to Maine,” Gobin recalls. “I was fascinated that people actually hiked the whole thing. I always wanted to do it.”

On his last day in the Marine Corps, Gobin drove out the back gate of Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, and beelined 500 miles due west to Springer Valley, Georgia. He started his thru-hike the next day.

“It was this really personal, cathartic experience.”

Gobin set out from Springer Mountain simply hoping to defy a statistic. He knew nothing about Shaffer, nature therapy, or even thru-hiking. But Gobin did know that of those who attempt to thru-hike the AT, only about 20 percent make it all the way.

“As a Marine,” Gobin says, “You’re like, ‘okay challenge accepted.’”

Sean Gobin sits on a rock painted with an American Flag. He's wearing his backpacking pack and holding poles.
Sean Gobin above Lehigh Gap, PA on the AT. Courtesy of Sean Gobin

Gobin wanted an extreme physical challenge. He got that — and an experience that shifted the trajectory of his life. The first month on the trail was a “complete mess.” Gobin made all of your typical beginner thru-hiker mistakes, and gave himself a slew of overuse injuries. But he was a fast learner, and by the time the shin splints, knee strains, blisters, and lost toenails recovered, Gobin had figured thru-hiking out.

“Once I figured everything out, it was really this incredible experience where I was able to focus outwardly and really appreciate the trail, nature, and the serenity of it all,” Gobin says.

Gobin settled into the rhythm of hiking eight to 12 hours a day. Immersed in nature and with nothing to distract him, he started processing his past, and planning for the future.

“Your brain really has nothing to do but start to focus on your life experiences and what you’ve gone through,” Gobin says. “You come to terms with it, and then start focusing on the future and what you want to do with your life; what’s really important to you. It was this really personal, cathartic experience.”

By the time Gobin finished the trail, he realized he had gone through an incredibly therapeutic, life-changing journey. He felt called to provide fellow vets with a similar experience — many needed it.

The early 2010s marked the height of the Veterans Association struggling to deal with an onslaught of vets coming home with mental health issues. Since 2001, over three million vets have returned home from wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Many never transition from their experiences. In fact, the Department of Veterans Affairs estimates that over 15 percent of Iraq and Afghanistan vets suffer from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

“The VA was prescribing a lot of medications, and some of the side effects are even worse than the effects of post-traumatic stress,” Gobin says.

To make matters worse, many vets would come home and give up the daily structure of working out and keeping up with military standards of fitness. Their physical health faded with their mental health. Gobin knew thru-hiking could help with both.

Warrior Expeditions: Walking Off War Together

A group of Warrior Expeditions Vets stand on top of McAfee Knob. Green mountains ripple into the distance under a cloudy sky.
A Warrior Expeditions group at McAfee Knob, VA on the AT. Courtesy of Warrior Expeditions

Almost instantly, puzzle pieces started falling into place. Gobin met an Appalachian Trail Conservancy board member, who introduced Gobin to the history of Earl Shaffer and veterans walking off the war. Gobin was intrigued. Together, Gobin and the ATC started putting together a vet outreach program to help vets transition from their wartime experiences by thru-hiking the trail.

Gobin used his MBA classes at the University of Virginia that winter to put Warrior Expeditions together. He made the website during finals week. Gobin called every outdoor company he could think of. Companies began donating gear. The ATC announced the program, and applications flooded in. Gobin organized a community of supporters all the way up the AT who would take vets in for a meal and a place to sleep every few days up the trail.

“And their eyes — wow, it was like someone turned the lights on.”

That spring, Gobin met his first class of vets in Georgia. He distributed gear, gave an orientation talk about how to thru-hike, and told them what to expect. Gobin shadowed them up the trail for a week, and departed in Hiawassee, GA. Six months later, Gobin met the group at Katahdin. He couldn’t believe the transformation that had occurred along the trail.

“The people I met in Maine were not the same people who started in Georgia,” Gobin says. “Physically, they had lost tons of weight. The pudgy vets who started up the trail no longer had an ounce of body fat. And their eyes — wow, it was like someone turned the lights on.”

By the time Gobin met the group in Maine, the previously depressive, introverted, and sullen vets were beaming, laughing, and talking. Gobin realized he had found his life’s calling. Warrior Expeditions rapidly expanded, organizing thru-hikes for vets on eight different long trails across the country, plus a 3,700-mile cross-country cycling expedition and paddling trip along the 2,320-mile Mississippi River.

A Magical Formula: Building a Routine in Nature as a Team

Sean Gobin smiles while standing on a rocky trail. He's wearing a backpack and button-down shorts sleeve shirt.
Sean Gobin. Courtesy of Sean Gobin.

Gobin says Warrior Expeditions works because of three elements: the therapeutic benefits of living in tune with nature, the structure of purpose and routine, and the social element of traveling together.

Hiking with a heavy pack all day, every day helps burn off anxiety. The physical toll and time in nature alleviates depression. The routine puts hikers on a normal sleep schedule where they’re up with the sun and sleep when the sun sets. Plus, they’re so tired that they actually get a good night’s sleep.

“It’s very structured,” Gobin says. “It strips away all the things in life that are unnecessary. It breaks life down to its most basic elements.”

Traveling along the trail in a group and interacting with community hosts and other hikers on the trail builds connection and a sense of camaraderie.

“All of those things are the magical ingredients that go into what makes it such a transformational experience, both physically and mentally” Gobin says.

These qualitative benefits have been backed up with quantitative data. For the past seven years, Warrior Expeditions has partnered with psychologists Dr. Shauna Joye (an Air Force veteran) and Dr. Zachary Dietrich (a Marine Corps veteran) to research the effects of long-term wilderness experiences on combat veterans. Their results show that participants benefit from significantly lower levels of post traumatic stress, anxiety, and depression after finishing a wilderness program.

A New Nature-Based Life

A Warrior Expeditions group stands on top of Mount Katahdin. They are posing and smiling around the sign, and two people are holding an American flag.
A Warrior Expeditions group reaches the end of their AT thru-hike. Courtesy of Sean Gobin.

Back on his first thru-hike in 1948, Earl Shaffer quickly misplaced his maps. Unfortunately for him, smart phones and digital maps did not yet exist. So Shaffer was forced to rely on a compass and instinct to find his way. He recounts getting lost numerous times. Yet Shaffer seems to have found himself along the way. After descending Katahdin, Shaffer shouldered the nickname “The Crazy One” and moved to a cabin in rural Idaville, PA — just five miles off the AT. Surrounded by cats and goats and forgoing running water and refrigeration, Shaffer coexisted with nature on his own terms.

Thru-hiking remained another constant in Shaffer’s life. He went on to hike the entire length of the AT two more times. In 1998 at age 79, he became the oldest person to do so. It took him 173 days.

Shaffer passed away in 2002 at the age of 83. But his legacy lives on through the veterans who embark on the same transformative journey each year. After their expeditions, most vets continue to hike. Some, like Gobin, buy an RV and travel. And some even move to the wilderness and go on to start their own small farms.

“It’s therapeutic for everybody, no matter who you are and what you’re dealing with at the moment. It’s just this incredible transformation all the way around.”

Veterans hold a special place in both the history and meaning of thru-hiking in America. Yet Gobin says that part of a trail’s magic lies in its ability to lighten the lives of anyone.

“The trail is full of all different types of people and demographics and reasons for being out there,” Gobin says. “And it’s therapeutic for everybody, no matter who you are and what you’re dealing with at the moment. It’s just this incredible transformation all the way around.”

Although the pandemic has placed Warrior Expeditions trips on hold, you can get involved by applying to serve as a community host along a trail. You can also contribute with donations. Gobin says they’re always seeking outdoor gear with which to equip vets on their trips. Follow along with Warrior Expeditions on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter.

November 7, 2022
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A selfie of Mac on a ridge line.
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Planning a Thru-Hike Next Year? Here’s What You Need to Know.

by Abby Levene October 21, 2021
written by Abby Levene

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Before Mac of Halfway Anywhere thru-hiked the Pacific Crest Trail in 2013, he struggled to find useful information about the trail. Sure, he read anecdotal thru-hiking accounts. But what worked one for one person might not work for him. He wanted data. So after completing the trail that year, Mac started a PCT survey to gather that data for himself.

The results somewhat dismayed him.

“I’m a very good representation of just the average hiker,” Mac (whose “real” name is Tyler Fox) says. “I thought I was doing something cool. But I was actually just doing something that all the people who are just like me are also doing.”

In 2019, the last year of robust data from the trail, 60 percent of respondents identified as male. Nearly a whopping third (30 percent) were in their mid to late 20’s. And over a third (37 percent) of PCT hikers did not train before their hike — just like Mac.

But as Mac surmised, the data also proved useful. Mac’s findings suggest hikers wildly underestimate how much a thru-hike costs. The average amount spent on a successful 2020 PCT thru-hike was $8,059 or $58.79 a day.

In fact, underestimating thru-hike finances proves to be one of the primary reasons people abandon the trail.

“Money is a big factor that sneaks up on people,” Mac says. “They don’t realize it is going to be as big of an issue as it ends up being. Before I headed onto the trail, I was like, ‘I’m going to be out there just like five months in the wilderness, whatever. I’m not going to stay in hotels. I’m not going to hang out in town.’ And then in reality you’re out there for like 10 days and it’s been raining for five and all your stuff’s covered in mud and you’re like, ‘Whatever, I’m definitely going to go stay in a hotel.’”

Mac smiles in a selfie while hiking over snow.

After Mac thru-hiked the Continental Divide Trail in 2017, he started a survey for that thru-hike as well. Surprising to many, the CDT mostly sticks to well-defined trail. But unlike other long trails, the CDT provides numerous “alternates” hikers can take to supplement or supplant the official route. Mac found that the majority of thru-hikers take many of the same alternates, including the Gila River alt in New Mexico (96 percent), the Cirque of the Towers alt in Wyoming (84 percent), and the Spotted Bear Pass alt in Montana (82 percent).

A self-proclaimed random guy on the internet, Mac has no proven validity to his findings. But he’s here to help prospective thru-hikers actually glean information that will be useful in their monumental undertaking. Mac may not be a scientist, he thinks with the precision of one, constantly trying to refine and improve the surveys with each iteration.

Half the challenge with these surveys is simply finding people to take them. The key is to loop people in before they start hiking, otherwise Mac ends up with a skewed sample of finishers and doesn’t get that critical data from people who quit the trail along the way. If you’re planning on thru-hiking the PCT or the CDT next year, sign up to take the survey when it becomes available.

Mac sits on the trail while eating a piece of pizza.

You may have noticed the elephant in the room: Mac has not thru-hiked the Appalachian Trail and does not conduct an AT survey. In fact, Mac swears he will never hike the east’s longest trail. Tune in to the Out and Back podcast to hear AT thru-hike veteran Shanty try and change his mind.

In this episode of Out and Back, Mac weaves his eight years of survey data together with his first hand observations to illuminate how the PCT has evolved over the past decade. Hint: he doesn’t think it’s all been for the better. Mac dishes his controversial view of trail angels and trail magic. Plus, Mac explains why he hates the word “tramly” (aka “trail family”).

Comb through the vast PCT and CDT survey data on Mac’s website, Halfway Anywhere. You’ll also find all types of useful insight and analysis, including gear guides for both the PCT and CDT. Sign up for Mac’s newsletter, and follow Mac’s adventures on Instagram.

Last episode: A Definitive Guide to the Best Camp Coffee

Heather Anderson sits with a cup of coffee in her tent.

Brewing the perfect cup of coffee in the backcountry can be complicated. A pour-over leaves you with messy grounds to haul out, and instant coffee often falls short on taste. In the last episode of Out and Back, we turned to some of our favorite professional hikers — Heather “Anish” Anderson, the Hiking Viking, Adventure Alan Dixon, and Liz “Snorkel” Thomas — to unmask the secrets to brewing the best cup of coffee in camp.

Learn Anish’s hack to getting in coffee-flavored caffeine and lots of sustaining calories without actually brewing a cup of joe. Get Viking’s hilarious take on why coffee is an essential backcountry tool, even though he doesn’t really care about the taste. A trained barista, Alan provides his meticulously researched lightest and best tasting backcountry coffee setup. And last but not least, Snorkel shares the findings from her scientific, blind study on 14 brands of instant coffee. The testers: a panel of professional coffee connoisseurs.

Follow these four thru-hikers on Instagram: @anishhikes, @therealhikingviking, @1adventurealan,@lizthomashiking.

October 21, 2021
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Emily and Diggins embrace.
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Emily Ford Hiked 1,200 mile Ice-Age Trail in Ice-Cold Winter

by Abby Levene June 16, 2021
written by Abby Levene

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Despite its name, the Ice Age Trail mostly attracts thru-hikers during summer. Warm, sunny days let the traveler admire the kettles and moraines carved into Wisconsin’s glaciated landscape. Water sources flow abundantly, and well, you don’t have to contend with sub-zero degree temps and knee-deep snow blowing in from the Great Lakes.

Yet Emily Ford forged right ahead and thru-hiked the 1,200 trail during the dead of winter anyway. After 69 days of post-holing down the trail, trudging along icy roads, and eating breakfast huddled in her sleeping bag, she also became the second person and the first female to complete a winter thru-hike this midwestern long trail. In fact, she was only the 78th person to complete the trail during any time of year.

Emily did not set out to break any records or set any “firsts.” Her rationale for taking on the trail during the harshest time of year was simple. As a professional gardener at the Glensheen Mansion on the shore of Lake Superior, Emily simply had the time during winter. Someone else had already done it. So, she reasoned, the proof was in the icy pudding.

“One dude did it [in winter] before me, Mike Summers. And it kind of should have been like a red flag to be like, are you sure you want to do this? I didn’t care. In my mind, this dude did it, so he already broke the ice. I guess I could probably do it too.”

Emily and Diggins on the snowy trail.

In this episode, Emily tells us all the details of her frigid trip across Wisconsin. From her three sock system to chugging cartons of cream from gas stations, she will prime you for your own winter hike. Or she will simply leave you inspired by her resilience and can-do attitude.

Emily also shares how the journey convinced her of the inherent goodness in people. She wound up borrowing a lead mushing dog, Diggins, to keep her company on the trail. Hear the heartwarming tale of how Diggins ended up becoming a permanent member of Emily’s family.

Emily turns back the clock, revealing how her intrinsic love of playing outside led to a burgeoning passion for camping and hiking as an adult. Emily, who is a queer, Black woman, opens up about how she feels inadvertently becoming a source of motivation for so many on social media and beyond.

Follow Emily on Instagram for updates on her adventures outside and gardening career.

Last Episode: How a Milestone Birthday Led Alan Adams to Break a World Record

Alan mountain bikes through a field of wild flowers.

In 2013, a life threatening crash in a cycling race set Alan Adams into a spiral of bad decisions. He quit bike racing, and faded into the worst shape of his life. After seven years, Alan finally felt stable in his relationship and job as a Patagonia sales rep. He was ready to reclaim his fitness and ambition by taking on an audacious goal. So for his new years resolution in 2020, the year he would turn 40, Alan aimed to climb two million vertical feet under his own power.

Alan not only met his goal, he smashed it. The Bozeman, Montana, resident climbed over 2.5 million feet of vert by ski touring and cycling — breaking the record for the most human-powered vert climbed in a single year.

Alan climbed an average of 7,000 feet on his skis and bike — every day for an entire year. There was no media fanfare, no Instagram hashtags, and no corporate sponsorships. The challenge was purely a way for Alan to reconnect with the natural world around him and to rediscover his inner strength.

In the previous episode of the Out and Back podcast, Alan tells the story of what led to this ambitious goal. Tune in to hear how this vertical challenge brought Alan’s life back into focus. The routine of being outside every day taught him to appreciate time and accept a simpler way of life.

Next Episode: Gaia GPS points to “I do” for Denver Couple

Ian and Phoebe smile in their winter garb on top of a mountain. Phoebe holds her hand out with a ring on it.

Over here at Gaia GPS, we love hearing stories about how our app facilitates incredible adventures, ground-breaking science, and life-saving rescue missions. This story might take the (wedding) cake. Don’t miss the next episode of the Out and Back podcast to hear how Gaia GPS played a starring role in bringing two Denver, Colorado educators together for life.

Phoebe Novitsky knew there was something special about Ian Silberman from the first time she met him at the dingy basement office of SOS Outreach. The stars never quite aligned, until one fateful night years later. Ian was leading a 17-day backpacking adventure for this students. It was a rough trip. After Ian evacuated one student with a stomach bug, he realized he had a text from Phoebe. The two struck up a text conversation that continued on for the rest of Ian’s trip, their words shrinking the many miles of wilderness separating them. They never looked back.

From taking a wrong turn on Colorado’s Grizzly Peak to bonking on an epic gravel ride, Ian and Phoebe quickly got to know each other through their trials and triumphs outside. And they developed an unbreakable bond in the process. Tune in to hear the heartwarming story of how the couple used Gaia GPS (of all things!) to take a trip through time and space and put a ring on their relationship.

June 16, 2021
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Alan Adams bikes across a singletrack trail through a field of wildflowers.
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How a Milestone Birthday Led Alan Adams to Break a World Record

by Mary Cochenour June 3, 2021
written by Mary Cochenour

How to listen: iTunes | Google Podcasts | Spotify | Stitcher | Pocket Casts | RadioPublic | Breaker | Castbox

In 2013, a life threatening crash in a cycling race set Alan Adams into a spiral of bad decisions. He quit bike racing, and faded into the worst shape of his life. After seven years, Alan finally felt stable in his relationship and job as a Patagonia sales rep. He was ready to reclaim his fitness and ambition by taking on an audacious goal. So for his new years resolution in 2020, the year he would turn 40, Alan aimed to climb two million vertical feet under his own power.

Alan not only met his goal, he smashed it. The Bozeman, Montana, resident climbed over 2.5 million feet of vert by ski touring and cycling — breaking the record for the most human-powered vert climbed in a single year.

Alan climbed an average of 7,000 feet on his skis and bike — every day for an entire year. There was no media fanfare, no Instagram hashtags, and no corporate sponsorships. The challenge was purely a way for Alan to reconnect with the natural world around him and to rediscover his inner strength.

In this episode of the Out and Back podcast, Alan tells the story of what led to this ambitious goal. Tune in to hear how this vertical challenge brought Alan’s life back into focus. The routine of being outside every day taught him to appreciate time and accept a simpler way of life.

Next Episode: Thru Hiker Emily Ford Takes on Wisconsin’s Ice Age Trail in Winter

Selfie of Emily and her husky Diggins while hiking a snowy trail.

Tune in to the next episode of Out and Back to hear how thru hiker Emily Ford tackled Wisconsin’s Ice Age Trail in the dead of winter. Armed with a ton of clothes and a husky, Emily became the first woman (and second person ever) to complete a winter thru-hike of the 1,000 mile trail.

“One dude did it before me, Mike Summers. And it kind of should have been like a red flag to be like, are you sure you want to do this? I didn’t care. In my mind, this dude did it, so he already broke the ice. I guess I could probably do it too.”

In this episode, Emily tells us all the details of her sub-zero, snowy trip across Wisconsin. She explains how the journey convinced her of the inherent goodness in people. She wound up borrowing a lead mushing dog, Diggins, to keep her company on the trail. And she shares how Diggins ended up becoming a permanent member of her family.

You won’t want to miss this episode of Out and Back to get Emily’s surprising motivation for taking on a winter thru-hike in the midwest. In the meantime, you can follow her on Instagram for updates on her adventures outside and her career as a professional gardener.

Last Episode: How a Tragedy Turned Luc Mehl into a Packrafting Expert

Two rafters float down rapids.

Adventurer Luc Mehl has spent decades exploring Alaska in the most creative ways. He’s skied from Haines to Juneau; ice-skated a 100+ mile route on frozen lakes and seashores above the Arctic Circle; and bikepacked portions of the Iditarod Trail. In 2006, he discovered a much more efficient way to cover miles in the mountains: packrafting. He’s taken floating down alaskan rivers to a new level ever since.

But when a friend tragically died in a packrafting accident in 2014, Luc reexamined his own skills on the river and realized he was boating on water that was way over his head. It was a tough pill to swallow, but he dialed back and started learning the sport all over again. The result is Luc’s new book, “The Packraft Handbook.”

If you missed it, go back to episode 31 of the Out and Back podcast to hear Luc’s incredible Alaskan journey. His story starts with growing up in a tiny, landlocked village deep in Alaska’s interior. He shares how he found joy in playing outside in Alaska’s great expanses, and opens up about how the loss of his friend inspired him to become an expert in packrafting safety.

Learn more about Luc and his Alaskan adventures on his website. Follow him on Instagram. And pick up a copy of “The Packraft Handbook” to get the best tips for staying safe on moving water.

June 3, 2021
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How Tragedy Turned Luc Mehl into a Packrafting Expert

by Mary Cochenour May 6, 2021
written by Mary Cochenour

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Adventurer Luc Mehl has spent decades exploring Alaska in the most creative ways. He’s skied from Haines to Juneau; ice-skated a 100+ mile route on frozen lakes and seashores above the Arctic Circle, and bikepacked portions of the Iditarod Trail. In 2006, he discovered a much more efficient way to cover miles in the mountains: packrafting. He’s taken floating down Alaskan rivers to a new level ever since.

Don’t miss episode 31 of the Out and Back podcast as Luc takes us on his incredible Alaskan journey. His story starts with growing up in a tiny, landlocked village. Yet it took moving to the city for Luc to find joy playing outside in Alaska’s great expanses.

Profile image of Luc Mehl. He's smiling at the camera, wearing a trucker hat and a raincoat.

Luc’s adventures on foot, bike, ice skates, skis, and packraft can seem extreme to most people. But he swears he’s not in it for the thrill. Taking on new sports is just Luc’s way to keep growing.

“Part of what I am after is the learning curve,” Luc says on the podcast. “Every day I go out and I’m a little better than I was yesterday. I’ve done that with all these sports: skiing, biking, packrafting. As soon as the learning curve flattens out, I start to get a little restless. I’ll embrace learning even if it means giving up being an expert and I’ll pick up something new.”

Luc used the Alaska Mountain Wilderness Classic — a punishing adventure challenge across 100+ miles of rugged terrain — to test his limits and learn new things. The Wilderness Classic felt like a safe place for Luc to experiment with his gear, food, and sleep deprivation. Sometimes he stayed up all night to rack up extra miles.

Luc’s goal in the Wilderness Classic was to see just how minimally he could survive. Until one day, cutting corners resulted in tragedy.

In 2014, Luc’s friend drowned in a packrafting accident in the middle of the race course. Though Luc was not on the scene, the loss of his friend changed his perspective on decision-making in the mountains. Suddenly, his history of many close calls came into sharp focus.

Book jacket of Luc's book, "The Packraft Handbook."

Looking at his skill level through the lens of tragedy, Luc realized he was boating on water way over his head. It was a tough pill to swallow, but he dialed back and started learning the sport all over again. The result seven years later is Luc’s brand new book, “The Packraft Handbook.”

Due out at the end of May, “The Packraft Handbook” captures Luc’s knowledge about backcountry river travel. Everything from reading water to river hazards, packraft gear and safety equipment, “The Packraft Handbook” reaches both beginners and expert paddlers.

Learn more about Luc Mehl and his Alaskan adventures on his website. Follow him on Instagram. And pick up a copy of “The Packraft Handbook” to get the best tips for staying safe on moving water. Pre-orders are available now and will be shipped in June.

Last Episode: The Pacific Crest Trail with Barney “Scout” Mann

Barney at his computer, with book cases on either side. His back is to the camera.

Tune in to the last episode of Out and Back podcast for a chat with Barney “Scout” Mann. Since 2006, Scout and his wife “Frodo” have been hosting Pacific Crest Trail hikers at their suburban San Diego home.

The ultimate trail angles, the Manns offer to pick up arriving PCT hikers from the airport, bring them to their five-bedroom house, feed them dinner, entertain them with music, and teach them the ways of the trail. The next morning, the Manns shuttle the hopeful thru-hikers some 60 miles to the Mexico border. With a hug and a smile, they send their new hiking friends off to Canada. The Manns don’t charge a penny for their services.

In this episode, Scout describes how running their famous hiker hostel kept Scout and Frodo connected to the PCT even after their own thru-hike in 2007. Scout reflects on how the pandemic forced them to close up shop in 2020, and why they decided not to host PCT hikers in 2021. Listen through to the very end to hear why Scout and Frodo will consider hosting in 2022.

Find out about the release of Scout’s new book, Journeys North, which chronicles his own PCT thru-hike with Frodo. Give Scout a follow on Instagram — he’s on the Arizona Trail right now and posting pictures of his trip along the way. Learn more about Scout and Frodo’s hiker hostel on the Mann’s website.

May 6, 2021
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Meet Scout and Frodo: the Ultimate PCT Trail Angels

by Mary Cochenour April 22, 2021
written by Mary Cochenour

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Since 2006, thousands of Pacific Crest Trail thru-hikers have started their 2,660-mile journey from Barney and Sandy Mann’s suburban San Diego home. The ultimate trail angles, the Manns offer to pick up arriving PCT hikers from San Diego’s airport, bring them to their five-bedroom house, feed them dinner, entertain them with music, and teach them the ways of the trail.

The next morning, the Manns shuttle the hopeful thru-hikers some 60 miles to the Mexico border. With a hug and a smile, they send their new hiking friends off to Canada, rested and well prepared for the miles ahead.

A large group of thru-hikers sit in a big circle in Scout's backyward.

Hosting hikers — sometimes 40 per night — gets expensive and takes a lot of time and energy. Yet the Manns don’t charge a penny for their hospitality. Helping hikers start their long, arduous PCT journey is their ultimate joy in life.

Tune in to the next episode of Out and Back for a chat with Barney “Scout” Mann. A triple crown hiker himself, Scout describes how running their famous hiker hostel kept them connected to the PCT even after their own thru-hike in 2007. Learn about the changes Scout has seen as the PCT grew in popularity after the release of Cheryl Strayed’s book Wild.

Cover of Scout's book, "Journey's North: The Pacific Crest Trail." Cover image is a watercolor of a lake with mountains in the background.

Mann discusses the release of his new book, Journeys North, which chronicles the PCT thru-hike he did with Sandy (trail name Frodo). Plus, find out what it’s like to hang out in the Manns’ hostel as hikers prepare for the first miles of their PCT trek.

Scout reflects on how the pandemic forced them to close up shop in 2020 and why they decided not to host PCT hikers in 2021. Listen through to the very end to hear why Scout and Frodo will consider hosting in 2022.

Give Scout a follow on Instagram — he’s on the Arizona Trail right now and posting pictures of his trip along the way. Learn more about Scout and Frodo’s hiker hostel on the Mann’s website. Stay tuned for their announcement about whether they will host hikers in 2022.

Next Episode: How Tragedy Turned Luc Mehl into a Packrafting Expert

Luc smiles for the camera in a portrait.

Adventurer Luc Mehl has spent decades exploring Alaska in the most creative ways. He’s skied from Haines to Juneau; ice-skated a hundred-mile route on frozen lakes and seashores above the Arctic Circle, and bikepacked portions of the Iditarod Trail. In 2006, he discovered a much more efficient way to click off miles in mountains: packrafting. He’s taken floating down Alaskan rivers to a new level ever since.

Don’t miss episode 31 of the Out and Back podcast as Luc takes us on his incredible Alaskan journey, from growing up in a tiny, landlocked village to discovering the freedom of the outdoors later in his life. While Luc’s adventures on foot, bike, ice skates, skis, and packraft, can seem extreme to most people, he rejects being labeled a “thrill seeker.” Taking on new sports is just a way for Luc to master a new craft, and to keep climbing the learning curve.

Luc has used the Alaska Mountain Wilderness Classic — a punishing adventure race across 100+ miles of rugged terrain — to test his limits and hone his wilderness skills. The race has always felt like a safe place for Luc to experiment with his food choices and sleep deprivation, sometimes staying up all night to make extra miles. The goal was to see just how minimally he could live out there.

Until one day, cutting corners resulted in tragedy.

In 2014, Luc’s friend drowned in a packrafting accident in the middle of the race. Though Luc was not on the scene, the loss of his friend changed his perspective on decision-making in the mountains. Suddenly, his history of many close came into focus.

Looking at his skill level through the lens of tragedy, Luc realized that he was boating on water that was way over his head. It was a tough pill to swallow but he dialed back, and started learning the sport all over again — this time from the very beginning. Seven years later, the result is the release of Luc’s brand new book: The Packraft Handbook — “the definitive instructional resource for packrafting.”

Learn more about Luc Mehl and his Alaskan adventures on his website. Follow him on Instagram. And pick up a copy of The Packraft Handbook to get the best tips for staying safe on moving water.

Last Episode: Ninjasticking Through the Backcountry with Vasu Sojitra

Vasu Sojitra is one of the most accomplished adaptive athletes on Earth. He’s notched first independent adaptive ascents and descents on everything from the Grand Teton in Grand Teton National Park to Tuckerman’s Ravine on Mount Washington in New Hampshire. This winter, he summited Wyoming’s formidable Mount Moran and skied its infamous Skillet Glacier.

He’s done all of this with one leg.

But focusing on Vasu’s leg difference, though, doesn’t do him justice. Rather, Vasu has leveraged his disability to cultivate courage, resiliency, and compassion.

“That’s the thing about disability culture — we are one of the most resilient communities on this [expletive] planet, which is awesome to be a part of,” Vasu recounts on Out and Back. “People think we’re fragile. People think you have to tiptoe around our disability. You don’t. We’re still here. We’re still kicking ass and we’re still making sure our voices are heard no matter what our voices are.”

Go back and listen to the last episode of Out and Back as Vasu recounts going from feeling like an outsider as a kid growing up in Glastonbury, CT and Gujarat, India, to finding belonging on the ski slopes. As Indian immigrants, Vasu’s parents were not entirely sold on their two sons’ newfound passion — or the price to entry. Adaptive ski equipment is particularly expensive. But Vasu and his brother (and number one supporter) Amir found their way to the bunny slopes of CT, and later, the Green Mountains of Vermont and the Appalachians, and beyond.

Vasu’s accomplishments in the mountains are extraordinary. But his story is really one of finding strength within yourself. He’s on a mission to make the outdoors accessible to all, so everyone can experience the liberation of moving their bodies through the landscape.

Follow Vasu on Instagram. Read first-hand accounts of Vasu’s adventures on his website, and watch his film Out on the Limb.

April 22, 2021
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Out and Back: How to Train for Hiking Season

by Abby Levene March 18, 2021
written by Abby Levene

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The days are getting longer and warmer — hiking season is well on its way! But for many of us, nearby trails are still covered in ice and snow. And for many more, we’re cooped up in the city or live in geographical regions as flat as a pancake. How can we gear up for summer adventures?

Personal trainer Billy Gawron of Backcountry Fitness is here with answers. This week on Out and Back, Shanty and Abby chat with Billy about training for hiking, backpacking, and thru-hiking season. Billy equates getting in shape to building a house. You have to start with the foundation.

“If you try to build a house on top of a really crappy foundation, the house is not gonna last very long,” Billy says. “So you want to make sure that you solidify not only your core stability, but your stability around all your joints.”

Whether you’ve spent a little too much time on the couch this winter, are confined to the city, or don’t have access to a gym right now, don’t worry! Billy is here to walk you through how you can build a strong body and mind right at home. Billy has backpacked all over the world and specializes in training his clients to get ready for all types of backcountry adventures. He delivers his keen insight into training for big mountain days while confined to small spaces and flat, concrete cities.

Billy shares the number one thing we should all start working on right now and gives us the key to balancing strength work with endurance training. He breaks down some pervasive myths about training, including if you actually need to train at all.

Billy answers the most pressing hiker questions, like how to train your feet and ankles to withstand long days with a heavy pack, how to prevent pesky and debilitating knee pain, and how to prepare for altitude while at sea level.

If you’re dreaming up some big plans for the summer, you won’t want to miss this episode. In the meantime, check out Backcountry Fitness on the web, where you can find free training plans and can hire Billy as a coach, and follow Backcountry on Instagram for daily training tips.

Two hikers smile while standing in front of a lake with mountains in the distance.

Episode Highlights:

4:25: Meet Billy Gawron, personal trainer and founder of Backcountry Fitness.

5:50: Billy shares the story of the client who inspired him to specialize in getting people ready for backcountry adventures.

8:30: Billy and his fiancée have hiked and backpacked all around the world together.

10:20: Shanty tells the most ridiculous story that has been told on this podcast to date.

12:00: Billy resolves some of the biggest myths in hiking, backpacking, and thru-hiking.

20:00: How you can start preparing for hiking/backpacking season from right at home, right now. (Hint: we’re starting with the core.)

22:20: Do you sit all day? If so, you are a basket of injuries waiting to happen. Billy is here to help.

29:00: Shanty is eager to hit the gym with the heavy weights. Billy weighs in….

31:05: How many days do you have to train? How do you balance strength and cardio?

32:35: What kind of cardio is best to get ready for hiking season, especially if you’re confined to the city or somewhere flat? How hard should you work?

36:19: Billy explains why doing a bunch of HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) is not necessarily going to help you for your summer adventures.

37:35: What’s the minimum amount of time you need to devote to a workout?

40:50: When it comes to strength training, more reps at lower weight is going to help you out more than single max reps.

42:40: Billy explains why he loves SPT (Sustained Push Training). It combines cardio endurance and strength work all into one.

46:30: Knee pain? The problem most likely is not your knee.

49:20: Billy, who used to work at a running speciality store, advises on the best shoes for training, running, and hiking.

52:00: Learn how to become comfortable being uncomfortable now, so you’re mentally ready for your adventures later.

56:30: Can you prep for your altitude adventures from sea level?

1:01:45: Want more tips from Billy? Check out his app.

1:03:00: Billy is training for his honey moon — hiking Kilimanjaro with his fiancée!

Last episode: Adrian Ballinger

Adrien smiles while on top of a snowy mountain. He's got his arms raised and is holding an ice axe in one hand.

Alpinist Adrian Ballinger has made a career of climbing the Himalaya’s 8,000-meter giants. Since 2008, he’s summited Mount Everest eight times, including once without supplemental oxygen. But perhaps the biggest hurdle Ballinger has surmounted has been overcoming family and societal pressure to live a life outside of what’s true to himself.

In the last episode of the Out and Back, Ballinger takes hosts Shanty and Mary all the way back to his unusual foray into the outdoors growing up in Worcester, Massachusetts.

Though he fell in love with climbing, nobody ever thought he’d make a job of it. In fact, an undercurrent of pressure to study medicine swept him away to college. He earned his bachelor’s degree from Georgetown University and was accepted to Georgetown’s medical school. But Ballinger deferred enrollment to indulge in one glorious gap year to “get the mountains out of his system.” One year turned into two years, and, well, let’s just say his parents weren’t impressed. Decades later, and well into his 40s, Ballinger is still scrambling up mountains on his “break” between undergraduate and graduate school.

In this fun and lighthearted chat, Ballinger speaks openly about the challenges and realities of guiding clients up the world’s highest mountains. Ballinger takes us to that fateful encounter on the side of Mount Everest, where he met the love of his life, professional climber Emily Harrington.

Tune in to learn more about how you can explore the mountains with Ballinger’s company Alpenglow Expeditions. Follow Ballinger on his Instagram page and watch the couple’s YouTube channel DangerstikTV for some real-life Adrian/Emily entertainment. Watch Breathtaking, a documentary about Ballinger’s climb on K2 without supplemental oxygen.

Next episode: Vasu Sojitra

A skier with a leg difference sends it down a mountain. He is using outrigers and one ski.

Growing up in India and Connecticut, Vasu Sojitra’s ascendence to becoming a professional skier may seem unlikely. Not to mention that he was born to Indian immigrants who did not understand the sport. And that he has a lower leg difference, and taught himself to ski with one leg and no prosthetic.

But Vasu doesn’t lean into excuses. In fact, he embraces who he is.

“That’s the thing about disability culture — we are one of the most resilient communities on this planet, which is awesome to be a part of,” Vasu says on Out and Back. “People think we’re fragile. People think you have to tiptoe around our disability.No. We are kicking ass.”

On the next episode of Out and Back, Vasu tells his story from having his leg amputated at nine months old to climbing peaks like the Grand Teton and backcountry skiing Montana’s Beartooth and Bridger mountain ranges. He’s even landed a 720 on skis, which is a first for an adaptive skier.

Vasu shares how he uses his engineering degree to problem solve equipment strategies for skinning up the mountain with one ski. And he explains how he brings an intersectional framework to the outdoors to lift those up around him and to help make these sports more inclusive to everyone.

You can follow Vasu’s adventures and advocacy on Instagram. Check out his newest venture, Inclusive Outdoors Project. And you can learn more about Vasu on his website.

March 18, 2021
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Lessons from the Trail: Best Out and Back Stories of 2020

by Abby Levene December 28, 2020
written by Abby Levene

This year, Gaia GPS launched the Out and Back podcast. Hosts Shanty, Mary, and Abby sat down with an inspiring line up of guests who shared their deepest stories that connect them to the wilderness. A few highlights include uplifting interviews with powerful and seasoned thru-hikers Daniel “the Blackalachian” White, Will “Akuna” Robinson, and Liz “Snorkel” Thomas. Listeners also learned hard-fought lessons from experts about backcountry navigation and backpacking nutrition.

Check out the top five Out and Back episodes of year. They include stories of unexpectedly becoming a world class athlete, how not to get lost in the backcountry, a lesson on why you should get out and hike right now, a frightening experience of being stalked in the wilderness by a creepy man, and a warm and fuzzy story about a famous bear, Griz 399, who emerged from her den this year to steal everyone’s heart with four cubs.

Here are Out and Back’s most listened to episodes:

Heather “Anish” Anderson: Overcoming Doubt

Anish stands with her poles and backpack, gazing out from a field to a rainbow sea of mountains.

Growing up as a bookworm, Heather Anderson never imagined she would become a professional athlete. Yet “Anish” was determined to prove herself wrong. Anish went on to set speed records on the Appalachian Trail, Pacific Crest Trail, and Arizona Trail, and become the first woman to complete the Triple Crown of thru-hiking in a calendar year.

In Out and Back’s debut episode, Anish pulls back the curtain behind her long list of successes and what drove her to accomplish them. Anish had long harbored a pipe dream to break an athletic record or compete in the Olympics. But as a self-described overweight and un-athletic kid who didn’t do sports, those aspirations seemed completely out of reach.

“It was so audaciously outside of my capacity,” Anish says. “It’s the perfect daydream — something I’ll never be able to achieve.”

In this episode, learn how Anderson faced her fear head-on to finally convince herself that she is indeed an athlete. Tune into this conversation with Heather “Anish” Anderson.

Andrew Skurka: Backcountry Navigation

Skurka sits with his back against a backpack while taking notes. A river flows behind him, and peaks loom in the distance.

Backpacking expert and professional mountain guide Andrew Skurka gives a lesson on backcountry navigation in this episode of Out and Back. After thru-hiking the AT as a beginner backpacker in 2002, Skurka set off to blaze a trail of his own. Three trails in fact — he laid down first tracks on the 7,700-mile Sea to Sea route, the 6,875-mile Great Western Loop, and a 4,679-mile route through the rugged Alaskan wilderness and Canadian Yukon.

Skurka’s unusual and prodigious long-distance backpacking progression quickly elevated him to an authority figure on traditional map and compass navigation. Learn how this National Geographic Adventurer of the Year created some of his iconic routes, what he carries in his backcountry navigation kit, and the one simple concept that everyone can do to stay found in the backcountry. Tune into this conversation with Andrew Skurka.

Adventure Alan: Ultralight Backpacking

Adventure Alan sits with all of his backpacking gear spread out around him in front of some barren peaks.

A trailblazer of ultralight backpacking and author of one of the most popular and comprehensive backpacking websites, Alan Dixon is widely known for his spec-heavy, detail-oriented backpacking gear reviews and expert advice on all things backcountry. But in this interview, Dixon leaves behind his engineering background and the gear spreadsheets to reveal his more vulnerable side. Dixon recounts one of the most harrowing mishaps of his outdoor career, bringing him and his climbing partner to hallucinations and the brink of death in Wyoming’s Tetons.

Although an early adopter of the most extreme versions of ultralight backpacking, Dixon tells us that you should not wait until you have the perfect gear or are in better physical shape to get moving on the trail. Tune in to learn more about Adventure Alan’s backpacking philosophy, including the one thing you need to leave behind in order to lighten your backpack.

Griz 399: The Most Famous Bear in the World

Grizzly Bear 399 stands up on her hind legs with her four cubs circled around her.

One of Out and Back’s most popular guests wasn’t even human! Living her best life in the public eye of Grand Teton National Park, Grizzly Bear 399 is perhaps the most famous bruin in the world. At 24 years old, Griz 399 has become a grandmother bear many times over. She surprised everyone this year when she woke from hibernation with four adorable cubs in tow — a highly unusual event in bear reproduction.

In this episode, Griz 399 aficionados tell her incredible and heartwarming story and why the bear draws visitors back to the park to see her year after year. Even hear from the one person Griz 399 has ever attacked — and why he advocated for her life to be spared. Tune into Griz 399’s tale.

Solo Backpacking with a Stalker

A backpacker stands on the horizon, in front of a single track trail through a meadow. Peaks loom in the distance.

Warning: this episode discusses getting stalked in the wilderness.

When Gaia GPS editor and Out and Back host Mary Cochenour became a wilderness ranger, she was forced to conquer her fear of solo backpacking. It took some time but with a lot of practice, Mary eventually grew comfortable camping alone in the woods. That is, until she realized she wasn’t alone after all. A man had been stalking Mary even in the farthest corners of the backcountry.

Mary draws on her background as a journalist to recount this harrowing tale. Remember not to hold your breath for too long as you listen! Mary talks about the confrontation with her stalker at a backcountry lake and reveals how this sketchy incident inspired her to keep backpacking solo despite her very rational fears.

This story, although gripping at times, reminds us that sometimes you have to face your fears head on to finally overcome them. Tune into Solo Backpacking with a Stalker.

If you feel that you are being stalked and need help call now call 9-1-1, or go to the stalking resource center for additional information.

Up Next in 2021

A skier flies through the air as snow shoots down the mountain below.

Out and Back looks forward to bringing you more stories to keep you company in the woods and to inspire your next adventure. Right now, we’re in the middle of our winter backcountry series. Even if you’re not a winter backcountry traveler, we recommend checking out expert Bruce Tremper’s first-hand account of getting caught in an avalanche. His story will make your palms sweat and will make you think twice about sending that next tantalizing line. Next week, Shanty and Mary investigate a totally new skiing experience: Bluebird Backcountry. This backcountry skiing resort outside of Steamboat Springs, Colorado, is for uphill traffic only, meaning it doesn’t have any chairlifts. Tune in to the next episode to find out what it’s all about. For our hikers and overlanders — don’t worry, we have an incredible line-up of guests and stories already in the works. Keep listening for more captivating stories from our guests.
Have a story to share or a guest you’re eager to hear from in 2021? Drop Out and Back a line at stories@gaiagps.com or on Instagram.

December 28, 2020
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Trails, Trials, and The Trek with Zach “Badger” Davis

by Abby Levene September 30, 2020
written by Abby Levene

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This week, Out and Back delves into the psychological side of backpacking. Special guest host and previous Out and Back guest the Real Hiking Viking joins Shanty to chat with one of Viking’s buddies: hiking legend Zach “Badger” Davis. Thru-hikers may know Badger as the founder of the popular backpacking resource, The Trek. Badger has also written Appalachian Trials and Pacific Crest Trials, psychological guides to tackling the Appalachian and Pacific Crest Trails.

Badger’s upbringing did not point to an outdoor-oriented life. By 2011, he was sitting in front of a computer working 70 to 80 hours a week. Life felt simultaneously monotonous and meaningless, and straining and stressful. When a friend mentioned he was setting off to thru-hike the AT, Badger thought he was crazy. Yet he reflexively invited himself to join — despite having zero backpacking experience.

Badger’s physical training leading up to the AT proved insufficient at best. He hiked a few five-milers. But what he lacked in physical prep, he made up for in psychological prep. Badger honed a meditation routine and strengthened his mind to withstand incomprehensible feats.

Badger’s wager paid off. Everything went wrong on that first thru-hike. He packed so much (including a 4.5-pound, one-person tent!) that his 3-pound sleeping bag wouldn’t fit inside his Gregory Z 65 pack. Badger set his socks on fire, used his Jet Boil incorrectly for months, and even contracted West Nile virus. But he was stubborn enough to be in that minority of thru-hikers who make it to the end. Those six months on the trail ended up being the most transformative time in his life:

“The person who went into that hike was not the person who came out of it,” Davis told Shanty.

Badger sits on the rocky ledge of McAfee Knob. He's shirtless and sis feet are dangling off the side into the open air below.
Badger at McAfee Knob during his thru-hike in 2011.

Badger explains how his puzzlement over the “Virginia Blues” led him to start a blog to make sense of why so many thru-hikers quit in Virginia. Blogging ultimately led him to write Appalachian Trials and found The Trek. On a lighter note, Badger and Viking dig into the unlikely start of their friendship. And they share wild stories from thru-hiking the PCT together, including how sleeping in an out house saved their lives.

Shanty quizzes Badger and Viking on the different skillsets needed to thru-hike the AT, PCT, and CDT. They discuss how thru-hiking has evolved over the past decade. And all three of them share how the trail serves as therapy, including the inexplicable catharsis of accomplishing the seemingly impossible. Listen through to the end to learn Badger’s favorite off-the-beaten-path backpacking trip. Seasoned and aspiring thru-hikers alike won’t want to miss this episode to learn how to find the light at the end of the dark, green tunnel.

Learn more about Badger on theTrek.co. Follow his adventures on Instagram, and tune into his podcast, Backpacker Radio. You can also hear more hilarity from Viking on his first Out and Back appearance.

Badger poses for a stoic selfie during his AT thru-hike. He's wearing a headband and sports a thick red beard. Blue-green mountains extend behind him.
Badger on the AT in 2011.

Episode Highlights

0:45: Zach “Badger” Davis is one of Shanty’s favorite people in the outdoor community.
1:30: Shanty explains how backpacking with the Real Hiking Viking led to getting Badger (and Viking once again) on the show.
5:20: Badger did not grow up super “outdoorsy.”
6:50: Thru-hiking the AT was Badger’s first backpacking trip.
7:20: Badger did everything wrong on the AT—including setting his socks on fire.
8:30: Badger explains why relying on free gear isn’t always the best move for a thru-hike.
9:30: The trio discusses how social media has impacted thru-hiking.
12:00: How thru-hiking has changed over the past decade.
15:45: Badger accidentally fell into backpacking because he was miserable working 70 to 80 hours a week.
17:30: Norovirus on the AT.
18:50: Badger’s AT thru-hike was deliberately solitary and introspective.
19:30: Badger recounts his most cathartic moment on the AT.
21:00: The person who went into the AT and the person who came out were two entirely different people.
26:30: Badger explains how repeating the mantra “Why are you here?” on the AT helped inspire him to write a book.
27:30: Writing Appalachian Trials provided a reprieve from the post-trail blues.
29:30: Badger gives his explanation of the “Virginia Blues” — it’s not what you may think!
33:00: How making sense of the Virginia Blues led to Badger starting a blog, which led to writing a book.
34:00: The origin story of The Trek.
37:40: Badger and Viking tell the hilarious story of how they met.
41:00: Badger and Viking hike the PCT together.
42:00: Different challenges of the AT and PCT.
45:30: Why Badger changed the name of Appalachian Trials to The Trek.
48:40: Why you should mentally break your thru-hike down into a series of section hikes.
52:30: How Viking decided to attempt a last minute winter thru-hike of the AT.
55:00: Sleeping in an outhouse saved Viking and Badger’s lives.
1:05:15: Badger’s vision for the future of The Trek.
1:13:00: Badger’s next goals.
1:15:00: Badger’s favorite off-the-beaten-path trail.
1:16:40: Badger recounts watching Viking eat an enormous meal.
1:19:15: Badger and Viking hitch a ride with a bachelorette party bus.

Next Episode: Meet the Most Famous Bear in the World, Griz 399

Photo Credit: Tom Mangelsen of Mangelsen Photography in Jackson, Wyoming.

We’re changing strides with the seasons and shifting to publishing shows every other week. Stay tuned for our next episode as Out and Back introduces a very special guest. Her name is Griz 399 and she is perhaps the most famous bear in the world. Griz 399 hails from Grand Teton National Park and has stolen the hearts of people who have come to visit her from around the world. She’s had multiple sets of cubs over the years and has raised them center stage in front of park rangers, tourists, and professional photographers.

This year at the ripe age of 24, Griz 399 boosted her celebrity status by emerging from her den with four tiny cubs. You’ll get to hear her story about why she sticks close to the road and how this giant mama bear provides hope and joy to so many people who seek her out in the park. Hear about Griz 399’s personality from conservationist and wildlife photographer Tom Mangelsen and journalist Todd Wilkinson, who teamed up to publish a book about Griz 399’s extraordinary life. And you’ll hear from the man who Griz 399 attacked when he inadvertently walked into her space when she and her three cubs were feeding on an elk carcass. As loveable as she is, Griz 399 is indeed a wild animal who needs to be respected and given lots of space.

Learn more about Grizz 399 on her Wikipedia page. Follow her on Instagram, and “connect” with her on Facebook. Check out Tom Mangelsen’s website, and follow him on Instagram to see his latest captures of Griz 399, her cubs, and other wildlife in the Greater Yellowstone and Grand Teton area.

Last Episode: Get the Most out of Your National Park Trip with Guide Book Author Scott Turner

Scott sits on a rock with his arms folded on his knees. He's holding a sunhat. Canyon walls loom behind him.

Don’t miss our last episode with hiker, guidebook author and licensed therapist Scott Turner. Turner has written guide books to five national parks, as well as his home of San Diego county. He shares insight on how to get the most out of a one-day visit to a national park, including insider tips for getting off the beaten path at Sequoia, Zion, and Joshua Tree National Parks.

Turner explains why he believes early morning wake-ups are worth it to maximize your adventure. And he runs through what you should pack for a day hike to ensure you have fun and stay safe. Turner almost always hikes in trail running shoes, and he shares why he prefers them to hiking boots, plus why he brings the “10 essentials” you need to survive an unplanned night outside. You’ll also hear about Turner’s favorite National Park, and how hiking helps him be better at his day job as a therapist. Last but not least, Shanty and Turner break down the best hiking Pop Tart flavors.

You can learn more about Turner and find his guidebooks his website. Follow Turner’s adventures on Instagram, and connect with him on Facebook.

Meet the Host: Andrew “Shanty” Baldwin

the host of the podcast Andrew Baldwin wearing an orange hat and blue jacket with a frosty beard, smiling

In 2019, host Andrew Baldwin completed a southbound thru-hike of the Appalachian Trail. After five months on the trail, Baldwin returned home to pursue a career in voice acting. A friend of the Gaia GPS company, Baldwin was a natural choice for hosting the Out and Back podcast.

In each Out and Back episode, Shanty strives to bring you conversations with people who spend an extraordinary amount of time outdoors. Listen in as Shanty taps into each backcountry expert’s superpower so that you can take their knowledge and experience with you on your next adventure.

September 30, 2020
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Her Odyssey: An Adventure Across the Americas

by Mary Cochenour September 16, 2020
written by Mary Cochenour

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This week, we catch up with world adventurers Bethany “Fidgit” Hughes and Lauren “Neon” Reed for an update on their journey across the Americas. Hughes and Reed have spent the last five years backpacking, biking, and paddling their way across South and Central America, Mexico, and the United States on their non-motorized tour of the American continents. The long-distance hikers are now hunkered down in the States waiting for Covid to subside before finishing off their adventure in the northernmost part of North America.

Fidgit (left) and Neon (right) smile for the camera with their backpacking gear. They're standing in front of a forest.
Hughes (left) and Reed (right). Photo credit: Fede Cabrera.

Hughes and Reed met during their Pacific Crest Trail thru-hike in 2010, where they earned their trail names Fidgit and Neon, respectively. After Hughes completed her PCT thru-hike, she took a stab at conventional city life. She lived in a house, got a car, and landed a management position in an accounting office. But the pull of adventure tugged hard at her heartstrings.

While sitting in a traffic jam, she became inspired by the book Born to Run by Christopher McDougall. From that, Hughes imagined “a human-powered traverse of the Americas, connecting the stories of the land and its inhabitants.” She dubbed the adventure “Her Odyssey.”

A map of the Her Odyssey route to date shows the path Fidgit and Neon took to backpack, bike-pack, and kayak across South and Central America and the US.
A map of the route to date. Red: backpacking. Orange: bike-packing. Blue: kayaking.

Hughes enlisted Reed to join on the trek, acknowledging that their different personalities complement one another. Reed agrees and describes their personalities with a Venn diagram.

“I usually lean towards the logical side,” Reed says. “And Fidgit is usually leaning towards the emotional side. We pull each other towards the center in a lot of ways.”

In this episode, Hughes and Reed discuss how they traveled through the wilderness in foreign countries, their incredible and heartwarming interactions with locals they met along the way, and some tips for treading lightly through indigenous regions and cultures. We also hear about their safety plans and how their contrasting personalities serve their expedition mission in unique ways. Don’t miss this episode if you want to learn about getting off the tourist path in South and Central America.

Learn more about Hughes, Reed, and Her Odyssey on their website. Follow them on Instagram and Facebook. Support their mission, or just simply buy them a meal, on Patreon.

Fidgit, laded down with her backpacking gear, interviews two Quechua women.
Hughes interviews two Quechua women.

1:00: Fidgit and Neon started their journey over five years ago.
5:25: The duo met on the PCT in 2010.
8:25: The idea for Her Odyssey came to Fidgit on a drive home from work in Kansas City.
10:50: Fidgit’s belief system led to her reach out to Neon to be her travel partner.
14:30: Fidgit and Neon pull each other towards the center of emotion and logic.
19:50: Fidgit spent three years planning this trip.
22:30: Accepting that they didn’t know what they were doing proved essential.
23:30: Neon uses her power of observation to help them navigate.
25:00: Fidgit and Neon tell an illuminating story about getting lost.
27:00: How sharing knowledge about routes and trails differs in Latin America and the US.
30:00: Learning some of the local language is an important display of good will and respect.
34:00: Fidgit and Neon share pointers for interacting with locals and being respectful of local culture.
41:40: Gaging threats and avoiding dangerous situations internationally.
45:35: Self-defense strategies for staying safe overseas.
52:00: Women’s bodies were found cut up in bags while they were in South America.
59:50: How Fidgit and Neon dealt with drinking water in South America. (Their strategy didn’t always work!)
1:05:50: Fidgit and Neon go separate ways for part of their journey.
1:12:00: When a region got too “murdery,” they moved on.
1:21:10: How COVID has impacted their travels.
1:29:30: Fidgit and Neon are currently focusing on the storytelling and community building components of their journey.
1:30:20: The ultimate goal of their trip is to reach the Arctic Ocean within the next two years.
1:33:00: How they balance structure and letting the journey unfold.
1:33:30: Advice to those looking to go on their own odyssey.
1:36:30: The grossest things Fidgit and Neon have eaten on their trip.
1:43:00: The one luxury item Fidgit and Neon can’t travel without. (You will never guess!)
1:49:00: How Neon and Fidgit got their trail names.

Next Episode: Get the Most out of Your National Park Trip with Guide Book Author Scott Turner

Scott Turner smiles for the camera while sitting on a rock with his arms crossed on his knees. Red and gold canyons loom in the background.

Next week, Shanty and Mary sit down with hiker, guidebook author and licensed therapist Scott Turner. Turner has written guide books to five national parks, as well as his home of San Diego county. He shares insight on how to get the most out of a one-day visit to a national park, including insider tips for getting off the beaten path at Sequoia, Zion, and Joshua Tree National Parks.

Turner explains why he believes early morning wake-ups are worth it to maximize your adventure. And he runs through what you should pack for a day hike to ensure you have fun and stay safe. Turner almost always hikes in trail running shoes, and he shares why he prefers them to hiking boots, plus why he brings the “10 essentials” you need to survive an unplanned night outside. You’ll also hear about Turner’s favorite National Park, and how hiking helps him be better at his day job as a therapist. Last but not least, Shanty and Turner break down the best hiking Pop Tart flavors.

You can learn more about Turner and find his guidebooks his website. Follow Turner’s adventures on Instagram, and connect with him on Facebook.

Last Episode: Solo Backpacking with a Stalker

Mary smiles for the camera while backpacking through the alpine.

When Mary Cochenour became a wilderness ranger, she was forced to conquer her fear of solo backpacking. It took some time but with a lot of practice, Mary eventually grew comfortable camping alone in the woods. That is, until she realized she wasn’t alone after all. A man had been stalking Mary even in the farthest corners of the wilderness.

Tune in last week’s episode of the Out and Back podcast as Mary tells a thrilling tale about her early days as a wilderness ranger in Desolation Wilderness in the Lake Tahoe Basin. Hear about her first night spent alone in the wilderness and what happened months later when she discovered that a man had been following her around the backcountry.

Mary reveals how this sketchy incident inspired her to keep backpacking solo and how she drew on this experience when working with victims as a violent crimes prosecutor in Montana. This story, although gripping at times, reminds us that sometimes you have to face your fears head on to finally overcome them.

We are excited to introduce you to Mary because she is the Out and Back podcast producer and a writer and editor at Gaia GPS. When she is not in the office, Mary works as a guide for Andrew Skurka Adventures in wild places around the west, like Rocky Mountain National Park, Yosemite, and the Brooks Range in Alaska.

Learn more about Mary on Instagram. Read Mary’s bio on Gaia GPS’s team page and view her hiking credentials on Andrew Skurka’s guide roster. Also, read her tips on how to plan your first solo backpacking trip.

Tell Us Your Story: Have You Ever Been Lost?

Two people pour over a paper map in the backcountry.

Have a great story about getting lost in the woods? Shoot us an email at media@gaiagps.com for a chance to be featured on the Out and Back podcast.

Tell us in 500 words or less how and where you got lost and what you did to get yourself out of trouble. Bonus points for humorous narratives and tales with surprise endings.

In addition to a podcast interview, the winner will receive Gaia GPS swag and a free Gaia GPS membership to help keep them from getting lost on the next adventure.

Meet the Hosts

the host of the podcast Andrew Baldwin wearing an orange hat and blue jacket with a frosty beard, smiling

Andrew “Shanty” Baldwin

In 2019, host Andrew Baldwin completed a southbound thru-hike of the Appalachian Trail. After five months on the trail, Baldwin returned home to pursue a career in voice acting. A friend of the Gaia GPS company, Baldwin was a natural choice for hosting the Out and Back podcast.

In each Out and Back episode, Shanty strives to bring you conversations with people who spend an extraordinary amount of time outdoors. Listen in as Shanty taps into each backcountry expert’s superpower so that you can take their knowledge and experience with you on your next adventure.

Mary smiles while lying down and resting her head on a rock. She's wearing a purple jacket, gloves, and a black buff around her ears.

Mary Cochenour

Mary is the Out and Back podcast producer and a writer and editor at Gaia GPS. Before joining Gaia GPS, Mary worked as a lawyer, newspaper journalist, ski patroller, Grand Canyon river guide, and USFS wilderness ranger. Mary holds degrees in journalism and business as well as a Juris Doctor degree from the University of Montana. Mary is licensed to practice law in Montana and Nevada.

When she is not in the office, Mary works as a guide for Andrew Skurka Adventures in wild places around the west, like Rocky Mountain National Park, Yosemite, and the Brooks Range in Alaska. Learn more about Mary on Instagram. Also, read her tips on how to plan your first solo backpacking trip.

September 16, 2020
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